A Question For Calvinists

How can God genuinely desire the salvation of those whom He, from eternity, unconditionally determined not to save, and is pleased to exclude?  Or in the case of supralapsarianism, which teaches that God specifically created people for the express purpose of destroying them, I ask: How can God genuinely desire the salvation of those whom He has specifically created for the express purpose of destroying, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, whereby God is glorified by their destruction?

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9 Responses to A Question For Calvinists

  1. Pingback: A Question For Calvinists « Countering the Rise of Calvinism « Feeds « Theology of Ministry

  2. He can’t. :(

    Also, it’s sad that we have to use the word “genuinely” so often when defining Calvinist theology, due to the double speak.

  3. Katy says:

    What scripture are you specifically referring to?

  4. admin says:

    I’m not referring to any particular Scripture; I am simply asking a question using Calvinist presuppositions. John Calvin wrote:

    “Now, since the arrangement of all things is in the hand of God, since to Him belongs the disposal of life and death, He arranges all things by His sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify Him by their destruction.” [Institutes, 3.23.6]

    I am simply taking the next step, viz., if what John Calvin wrote is indeed true, then how can God genuinely desire the salvation of those who are doomed from the womb?

    With kind regards,
    Matthew

  5. Katy says:

    Where are you quoting from: that God “genuinely” desires the salvation of all?

  6. admin says:

    I’m just taking God at His word, ie. John 3:16; 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9, etc.

    Implicit in your question is the presupposition that God does not desire the salvation of all men; which proves my point: that on Calvinism, God does not desire the salvation of all people, which is in contradiction to the Scriptural witness.

  7. Donald Knapp says:

    Romans 9 from the pen of Paul refutes those who question God’s choices on whom He will have mercy, compassion and, yes, on whom He hardens. The rebuke of verse 20 is fitting in this context: “But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?” While spiritual conundrums are found throughout God’s Word, to use “rationalism” in a feeble attempt to resolve them can produce a false pride and attitude that says, “I know that God would not do this!” So when He does, the rationalist becomes the new authority, even if it means ignoring or counter-manning the sole authority for faith and practice. Be careful how God’s sovereign grace and predestined choices are viewed. Be grateful He chose YOU.
    DK

  8. brent says:

    what about Romans 1:16

  9. admin says:

    What about it?

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